23 Self-bailing deck history ?

[Mooncusser]

Are there certain years where the 23 actually had scuppers out the back, rather than the deck bailing into the bilge? Do current, non-classic, SCs bail through scuppers or into the bilge? What years were/are considered "sinkers" because of the deck bailing issue?

Thanks.

[ScottM]

Mooncusser,
I could be wrong, but I believe starting in 1980 CSY moved the scuppers to the transom. My father's '82 has them this way. Leaking through-deck drains and decks below the water line are what started the "SinkCraft" name.

[Capt Chuck]

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My Potter built '78 self bails thru the deck pipes and 90* out the transom [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I think older years went straight thru the bottom of the boat as my hull still has the indentation in the mold. The Boat has too much foam to sink but I would assume that if If someone's boat filled with water, it had to enter the rear vents or the OB cable outlets due too excessive weight at the stern. A combination of twins, excessive number of people, the baitwell being full and non-working bilge pumps. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Mooncusser]

I've heard most of those that go under do so when tied up in a slip and heavy rains fill the bilge. That's what I've heard. I think there were changes made a few times to the scuppers and the way the decks drained. I'm trying to get an idea of what years those changes were made and what the changes were.

[RS]

FWIW, my 20' 1979 MA drains through the transom, while a buddy’s 1978 drains through the bottom. According to the hull id, my outer hull came out of the mold in 9/78, while his was struck in 5/78. I know you asked about a 23, but I thought this might give some insight anyway.

Also, I think the sinking issue could be from water getting past the hatch in the splash well and into the bilge. That area is usually wet from wave action at the stern.

[Miles Offshore]

Also the plugs being left installedduring a heavy rain leaving the water no where to go except in the bilge, and relying on one of those damn 10$ float switches that fail frequently. (I had a Mako sink at the pier back in the early eighties in this manner)Another police inboard like mine sunk here when they had for some reason put a crab dreging rig on the stern and left it tied up to a pier. I dont know if the plugs were left in or out but that was a lot of weight on the stern, but she sank like a rock. I also know of or have heard of them sinking from the scupper tube breaching between the inner and outer hull allowing water to fill the bilge. I fixed this by removing the old tubes, filling the holes with west system, redrilling the holes. right now they are just holes that my plugs fill in and lock. When I haul out soon I will install new tubes both inside and outside using the tubes sold at West marine and some 5200. The single 6" tube that has to be rolled,flared etc is no longer required. I actually like the scuppers going thru the deck especially when moored because most of the rainwater travels down towards the stern and out of the boat instead of into the bilge. JMO

[FELLOW-SHIP]

“BOATS ARE LIKE WOMEN” if you flat out ignore them, or if you don’t pay enough attention to the small details that they consider important, or if you don’t treat them with a loving relationship they will find some way to get your attention and when it is all over with “YOU WILL” wish you did pay more attention to them when they started trying to tell you something. As for the scupper thing I don’t know of any SeaCraft that drained water directly into the bilge they go from the deck through the bottom of the boat. If the Scuppers are plugged up then water will find a hatch that does have a hole that does drain into the bilge and if you don’t have a bilge pump that doesn’t work correctly Well Guess What? It’s kind a like NOT spending any time, money, relationship, dinner, and well you know, everything else that is needed to get you wife to respond to a smelly fisherman like everyone that is reading this post. Be true to you boat and she will never let you down. I went fishing Sat night and heard some one on the VHF in trouble ended up that his live well was running and filling up the bilge some sort of hose problem I guess, well guess what? The bilge pump didn’t work either and no flares on the boat. “On my boat I always have 2 bilge pumps”. If you don’t care about your self think of your poor loving sweetheart that right “YOUR BOAT” that you are treating like crap.
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[Miles Offshore]

get you wife to respond to a smelly fisherman like everyone that is reading this post. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I resemble that remark!!!

Seems to me live wells and those 19.95 float switches sink more boats than anything- ive been hearing plenty of horror stories from live wells it seems lately. worse yet when they fail to put a seacock inboard of the thru-hull fitting and the hose/whatever develops a leak !!!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Doghouse4x4]

Attention is paramount when dealing with a boat in the water. I'd wager the majority of people on the water today don't spend near enough time or effort to properly maintain a boat. That's just from personal experiences with a good number of people who have docked their junk at my house. We've had to call several to tell 'em their boat was sinking and they better come do something about it quick. not to mention the puzzled looks from questions about the last time they changed lower unit oil or water pump impellers, etc....

[paulfurnari]

My '72 23' CC has the scuppers straight out the bottom. When the decks were replaced, we replaced the tubes rolled ends and all. Also increased the diameter to 1". The boat seems to sit high in the water with a single engine and they work real well!