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[Lordwrench]

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[Ryan]

You might want to contact Mike at wildfire marine and see what he thinks. Pretty sure he did the restoration for Zach.

[Blue_Heron]

Originally Posted by Lordwrench

"But I don't remember if there was a thread in repairs and modifications. Was there one?"

Yes

I went back and found the thread. Not much there. Only two pictures with the deck off. There are only two stringers showing in the pics, not as wide as the usual two box stringers, not as narrow as the usual four stringer variety. And the fuel tank deck is in place, so you can't tell if the keelson was removed or left in place. Hard to tell what it looked like when they closed it up.

With the level of hull failure you're seeing, I can't help but think you're going to find some stringer issues when you open her up. Either delamination, or the deck not bonded like Denny said, or some modification to the original stringer layout that reduced overall strength. There's some serious flex in the hull bottom for that keel to crack open like it did.

Only time will tell. Good luck.
Dave

[shine]

Sad to read this. You have to "know" its strong as or stronger than original before you go and spend all the time and money to make it pretty.

Its all just speculation until its torn apart post pictures and I will be happy to comment on what I can see

[jorgeinmiami]

Would it not be better/safer to look for another hull with less issues and take what you have to it? It sucks to have to do that but better that than put a lot of work into the current hull and have a mishap at the wrong place and at the wrong time?

It sounds like you have to do a lot of work to repair the current hull and then there is always going to be that thought in the back of your mind

[gofastsandman]

Originally Posted by jorgeinmiami

Would it not be better/safer to look for another hull with less issues and take what you have to it? It sucks to have to do that but better that than put a lot of work into the current hull and have a mishap at the wrong place and at the wrong time?

It sounds like you have to do a lot of work to repair the current hull and then there is always going to be that thought in the back of your mind

Why can`t I ever take the fifth?
Good question GFS. Why indeed...

There are so many failure points on that bottom. I would not be comfortable with her.


I don`t know much about thermal imaging. Would you be able to see under her skin and all possible damage without grinding every inch of her down?

Yes, everything can be fixed, but then you are fixing everything.

I`m with Miami.

[jorgeinmiami]

Originally Posted by Lordwrench

I stand corrected,I hadn't looked at these pics since I bought it, two kinda mid-sized stringers.

There are a lot of options going forward, Jorge, but I don't really see a scenario that includes scrapping this hull outright.There's another thread going about comments while out in a Seacraft, I just can't see myself not owning a 20 Super.I am in aviation and have total faith in a properly designed and fabricated repair,provide the total discovery sum is deemed repairable when exposed.That being said, I have free indoor storage and for now no rush, and I am poking around for something else, I know the boat I want but it's not available just yet.

The boat is at another location and I haven't had a chance to get pics of the other information available to post.

Shine, I saw in another post you might take on a second project at your shop this fall, are you booked up?





Thanks to all.

B

There is one in Miami a Master Angler that is cheap enough and comes with aluminum trailer and yami power that you can buy sell off engine and trailer and refub the hull to your liking

[Blue_Heron]

Bryce,
Please let us know what you find when you have a chance to open her up. I'll be following with interest. I'm planning some similar modifications to a project 20 that's waiting patiently in my barnyard.
Dave

[Bushwacker]

Very educational post! That's what would happen to afishin82's Seafari-to-CC "conversion" without a core on the inside of the hull! The Seafari inner liner covers up very little of the inside of the hull because the tall coaming in the cap, which is highest right in the center of the hull where it's most needed, adds so much bending stiffness to the hull. The MA model can also have a more open inner liner because of it's taller and stiffer cap. I'm sure Moesly put a lot of thought into those solid inner liners in the CC's! They add a lot of bending strength to the hull, so if you cut them away to add rod stowage against the hull without restoring the lost stiffness, this is a good example of what to expect! Too bad the PO spent so much on beautiful cosmetics without getting the basic structure right!

Besides the addition of a core on the hull sides, I would assume most of the deck will have to come out so those cracks can be repaired from the inside. A friend that's been doing fiberglass repairs on big yachts for about 25 years says that when you see cracks like that on the outside, the delamination on the inside is usually much worse.

[Bushwacker]

Originally Posted by Lordwrench

. . I also decided to put this up for others as a lesson on modification planning for structural strength retention and rigidity. . .

Thanks for posting Bryce! It's valuable information indeed! Denny