We need Change!!

[ssscotty]

Originally Posted by Copper Collar

All of those people choose their profession and know the risks of the job, they can walk away if they do not want to accept those risks anymore. We can learn from our experiences and we can make personal choices in our own risk assessments each time we go out to help mitigate those risks. However, I personally draw the line at the government mandating it.

you ever rode as a firefighter or emt/ paramedic ? apparently not. I do not think you completely understood my statement. no worries.

[Copper Collar]

Originally Posted by ssscotty

you ever rode as a firefighter or emt/ paramedic ? apparently not. I do not think you completely understood my statement. no worries.

No, but I do understand your statement because I volunteered for a dangerous profession and accept the risks every time I go to work. For some of us freedom tastes a bit sweeter than others and we will hold onto it a little bit tighter.

[Islandtrader]

We learn from others mistakes (and our own) and then hopefully make the right decision.

[kmoose]

Originally Posted by Copper Collar

No, but I do understand your statement because I volunteered for a dangerous profession and accept the risks every time I go to work. For some of us freedom tastes a bit sweeter than others and we will hold onto it a little bit tighter.

Bet you don't like speed limits either.

[Copper Collar]

Covered in post 9.

[Copper Collar]

Originally Posted by Islandtrader

We learn from others mistakes (and our own) and then hopefully make the right decision.

Exactly. But we don't force a purchase by government mandate in a one size fits all approach.

[Trayder]

Originally Posted by Copper Collar

Exactly. But we don't force a purchase by government mandate in a one size fits all approach.

Agreed

Last thing we need are more mandates and regulation.

[kmoose]

Sorry, but ebirps should of been mandated safety devices years ago. The antiquated flares and whistles should of been done away with pointed ignition and carburetors.

For those who want more freedom from government mandates on proven safety devices I recommend ignoring them and just pay the price for your decision. That or try Mexico... you'll love it there! Do whatever you want.

Trust me, I don't like the addition of new laws when we already have plenty that aren't enforced as it is but do you really see altering existing safety requirements for vessels to include a proven, lifesaving device as intrusive government interference? To me it sounds like any mandate in your eyes is a bad one. Take off the Ron Paul glasses for a second and think about how ineffective current required safety devices are compared to what is now available and how it can improve boating safety.

[Copper Collar]

Originally Posted by kmoose

Sorry, but ebirps should of been mandated safety devices years ago. The antiquated flares and whistles should of been done away with pointed ignition and carburetors.

For those who want more freedom from government mandates on proven safety devices I recommend ignoring them and just pay the price for your decision. That or try Mexico... you'll love it there! Do whatever you want.

Trust me, I don't like the addition of new laws when we already have plenty that aren't enforced as it is but do you really see altering existing safety requirements for vessels to include a proven, lifesaving device as intrusive government interference? To me it sounds like any mandate in your eyes is a bad one. Take off the Ron Paul glasses for a second and think about how ineffective current required safety devices are compared to what is now available and how it can improve boating safety.

Speaking of proven life saving requirements., those D tables that everyone enjoys so much in diving are based upon people that do not have a hole in there heart as verified by EKG, under 21% body fat, and can pass a PST (see minimums below). It cuts down the risk of DCS and AGE to a tolerable level. Should the government MANDATE that all PADI and NAUI divers meet those standards? After all it is proven, safer, and healthcare minimums are set by the government now.


Swim 500 yards breast/side stroke 12:30 or less
50 push ups
50 sit ups
6 pull ups
Run 1.5 miles 12:30 or less



BTW flares are far from antiquated if you know how to employ them correctly.

[Terry England]

Originally Posted by Copper Collar

Swim 500 yards breast/side stroke 12:30 or less
50 push ups
50 sit ups
6 pull ups
Run 1.5 miles 12:30 or less

OR you can just have Mel run the boat. She's AWESOME!!!!! You come up and put your hand on the platform! She "spoils" Kenny and I.