Question ref the old 21' hull

bgreene · #1 11-14-2015, 07:51 AM

I posted this on the performance thread, but maybe it's more general here.......

Maybe there is no answer to this question........

Why hasn't / didn't Seacraft revive the 21' hull as a re launched offering as a boat model ?
Seems no other 21' has the similar hull design, and was superior performer.

Islandtrader · #2 11-14-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene

I posted this on the performance thread, but maybe it's more general here.......

Maybe there is no answer to this question........

Why hasn't / didn't Seacraft revive the 21' hull as a re launched offering as a boat model ?
Seems no other 21' has the similar hull design, and was superior performer.

Not to sound crass...you are beating a dead horse.

bgreene · #3 11-14-2015, 06:22 PM

I'm left to suppose you and others have the same question.....or just wonder why never happened.

It almost seems A GIVEN that the hull would have re surfaced as a marketed boat somewhere, called SeaCraft or other name.

And it also leaves one to wonder......why a possible "best ever" hull for 21' boat was not picked up .....to ride again.

Bigshrimpin · #4 11-14-2015, 10:32 PM

I'm getting tired of kicking this horse every few months . . . here we go again. Hopefully this time you'll be satisfied with the answer.

The 21 and 25 were studied by Steven Loui (bigfluke on csc) of Navatek who used the hull as a base to design his own version of this hull. http://www.midweek.com/steven-loui/

http://www.navatekboatbuilders.com/sea-blade.html

Bigshrimpin · #5 11-14-2015, 10:46 PM

http://www.fsboatworks.com/Design/

http://www.fsboatworks.com/About/

http://www.marlinmag.com/boats/boat-reviews/f-s-66

"The hull design is an adaptation of a Carl Mosely ocean racer with an early ’60s vintage. Floyd says that this patented bottom helped create SeaCraft boats.

“I grew up on SeaCrafts and said, ‘One day I’ll build a big boat with this hull.’ When the patent ran out, I adapted it to work on a big sport-fish boat. We made minor changes to the original for scale on a bigger bottom,” Floyd says."

Islandtrader · #6 11-15-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigshrimpin

I'm getting tired of kicking this horse every few months . . . here we go again. Hopefully this time you'll be satisfied with the answer.

Good job!

Anything else is just supposition:

bgreene · #7 11-15-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigshrimpin

I'm getting tired of kicking this horse every few months . . . here we go again. Hopefully this time you'll be satisfied with the answer.

The 21 and 25 were studied by Steven Loui (bigfluke on csc) of Navatek who used the hull as a base to design his own version of this hull. http://www.midweek.com/steven-loui/

http://www.navatekboatbuilders.com/sea-blade.html

Shrimp...........my question/ comment is this - surprising that another 21' boat isn't produced with the same hull as the original 21' SeaCraft. If it was so unique, providing an exceptional ride in rough seas, it should be out there now. Lots of 21' boats to choose from today with basic versions of V hulls, that pound in a chop, but the original 21 was special.
SO, surprising it wasn't revived........in the same style, as cuddy or center console.
If this tires you out. hey, what can I tell you...........rest up.

Bigshrimpin · #8 11-15-2015, 11:05 PM

I can only guess that there is a small market for 21ft "Offshore" boats that are capable of crossing over to the Bahamas. It's a big 21 and there are LOT of factors that go into people's boat buying decision. If you are shopping for that kind of boat . . . I would imagine you want and can afford something a bit larger (like 30+ ft with a real cabin to overnight in). I think more folks are interested in taking their 21ft boats to the sandbar and not paying a lot for them . . . hence the popularity of Bayliner, wellcraft, and searay. It's pretty clear to me why Potter didn't built the 21, since he was out to make a name for himself (and did with the 23 seacraft). While the ride is of interest for you and me . . . a LOT of people don't give a rats azz as long as they can put a case beer in the cooler. The fact that it hasn't been produced in it's original form, shouldn't take anything away from it's achievements . . . which you don't seem to have much respect.

Bushwacker · #9 11-16-2015, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigshrimpin

I can only guess that there is a small market for 21ft "Offshore" boats that are capable of crossing over to the Bahamas. It's a big 21 and there are LOT of factors that go into people's boat buying decision. . .

Shrimp is right, most folks think that a 21' boat is too small to take to the Bahamas, but the Moesly 21 not only rides better than some much larger boats, it is absolutely "The worlds BIGGEST 21' boat", as my friend Bob used to say about his SeaCraft 21 pictured below rafted up at West End, Grand Bahama next to a 23' Formula and my 20' Seafari! And although it appears to have a small cabin under the front deck, check out the cross section in the brochure below and notice how Moesly was able to create 7' long bunks by having them extend back under the front seats! That high bow provides decent headroom, and you could sleep very comfortably with your head under the front hatch with feet back under the seats. And the cushions from those tall seats doubled as bunk cushions, so you didn't have a bunch of extra cushions taking up space! And since there was no flotation foam in those boats, they had a huge amount of storage space below the deck. I think Gillie said it took him a couple days to even FIND all the hidden storage areas on his boat!

I once figured out that I have followed Bob's "Unohu" all over the Bahamas for about 2000 miles and I have not seen or ridden in a softer riding boat, unless maybe it's a 25' Seafari! I've ridden in a 23 Sceptre, and while it did ride very nice in a short 1-2' chop, I was surprised that I could actually feel the Potter "spray knocker" strake slapping the water. None of the Moesly designs have that, and I could see how it might be even more noticeable at higher speeds in rough seas.

Islandtrader · #10 11-16-2015, 09:16 AM

This is my take on the whole thing.

I agree with everything that Denny stated...That being said I think the interior of the 21 that was sold the most...the Over Nighter SUCKS!

I modeled mine after the Sportsman option. Plenty of interior space to move around. If you want a cabin get a Seafari a much better lay out.

Here is another thing to keep in mind.

RACE ANYONE!

That says it all. This boat was built for one thing and one thing only. It is exactly 21 feet long. It fits into a class, that it dominated.
Remember in the 60's race on Sunday and sell on Monday. Think of the 21 like you would think of a K-Code Mustang...meaning street legal but radio delete and very basic. FYI:None of the boats sold retail had Outboards...the ones raced were all outboard.

Now for the last part...I can't remember which one exactly Sailfish, Seahunt, or something like that is building a very nice boat, with most of the 21's bottom. They always get rave reviews...so someone is doing what you asked.