Question ref the old 21' hull

[77SceptreOB]

Sea Hunt is built here in Columbia, SC. I don't think I've seen one that looks like your 21. The bottom of the hull either...

[Islandtrader]

Originally Posted by 77SceptreOB

Sea Hunt is built here in Columbia, SC. I don't think I've seen one that looks like your 21. The bottom of the hull either...

I think the main question was why hasn't anyone use the hull? And I think if you check the blogs out there Seahunt or Sailfish has stated that it used the VDH by Moesly and it improved it...(I may be wrong on that part,but it sticks in my memory)

Seahunt's Bottom:
Transom: 21 degrees
Midship: 24 degrees
Entry: 60 degrees

Sailfish..Deadrise (Multi-angle) 22° - 24° 22° - 24°

Since I own a 21 I can say this...the 21 with the original windshield was UGLY! It was a 60's boat with a 50's windshield.

I think even Carl agreed that it was an exercise in futility..(windshield) They all cracked and if pounded long enough broke!

[bgreene]

Islandtrader..........yes, that's what I'm saying, surprised there isn't another boat like this today.

For discussion, Wellcraft V20 / V21 series - a classic cuddy, roomy open cockpit for standing, chairs, fishing etc. I believe it may be the single most popular longest running production boat of all time...or close to it. Still very popular - lots in use. I have a 96', last year produced.

Now take the original Seacraft 21.........similar style, but made for hard ocean running in choppy seas. Much taller bow, deeper V, built like a tank.

So, all I'm saying here is it's surprising as I see a solid market for the original SeaCraft 21.
Trailer ability is key, it's the right size boat, and some of my friends are turning back from center consoles........had enough getting wet and cold !!

I admire the older SeaCrafts, and would like to see return / updated 21 cuddy.
At boat shows, I believe it would stand out from all the " bay boats" and offer a more comfortable alternative to the blue water cc's......Regulator, Contender etc....

[Bigshrimpin]

I think I posted this before for you. It's a v20 Steplift and Powercat 20 both photographed and mentioned on several pages in Grayson Lynch's book "Decision for Disaster". Now read the clip from "The Amazing Mr Moesly" article from Professional Boat Builder and draw your own conclusion. Anyhoo . . . You are probably right that the hull deserves another production run, but you'll need to convince someone with $$$ to do it. You know what they say "The easiest way to get 1 million dollars building boats is to start with two million"

p.s. - I am a former v20 steplift owner and I started the wellcraftv20.com site in 2003 . . . I passed the torch to MJ in 2007. It's not a coincidence your search for the ultimate 21ft hull has you here on CSC.

[Bigshrimpin]

And . . . It's not exactly a 21ft seacraft, but I'd bet $$$$$ that Navatek's boat rides damn good There's no other boat builder throwing this kind of muscle behind R+D for a 22ft boat. If you want to buy a new offshore capable dry 21/22ft boat . . . this is where I'd start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiaPMnSZ_fw

Watch the little clip of the small seablade 16footer around 40 seconds into the video. That boat is glued to the water for a small boat.

[Terry England]

Sorry Bigshrimpin' but it look like they cross bread a Raydon with the offspring of a Wellcraft Airslot and a Zodiac! An F-35 that does everything - but nothing well! Just my tainted, warped, verbose opinion, attempting to keep it short.

[McGillicuddy]

Dang, Terry of the Union Jack, who'd a thunk a high tech hulls would be so well - ugly...
Sorry big fluke. At least you have a handful of Seafari 25s to look at. I definitely get the amas thing for the big pool. I get thrown around in big swells in the Seafari 20 so watching those small Seablade viddys is impressive.

Dang Trader Terry, quit baggin on my bulbous windshield - it not like its an AMC Pacer... and the Overnighter layout Doesn't Suck - its still a freakin huge fishing deck and great for the CA cold-water long ride chill factor...

Regarding the revival/continuation of the SeaCraft hulls, in the last last year or so, Thresher Boats in San Clemente CA is re-presenting the 20 hull, pairing them up with the Mercury Command Thrust 115 for around $27K. I believe the hulls are made in somewhere in Asia, maybe Hong Kong - pretty sure Padre Frank mentioned the Asian builder a few years back. Seems they were splashing Bertram hulls too.

Sailfish 22 and 24 are still clearly beamed out SeaCraft VDR hulls the 22' an 8.5' beam and 9' beam on the 24'.

bgreene you might ask 3rdDay what he thought it might cost to splash a 21 hull. I'm pretty sure he has a good idea, because he backed off of the idea, and i believe he was in the composites industry...

The concept is still alive and well.

[Islandtrader]

Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

Dang Trader Terry, quit baggin on my bulbous windshield - it not like its an AMC Pacer... and the Overnighter layout Doesn't Suck - its still a freakin huge fishing deck and great for the CA cold-water long ride chill factor...

"I'm a child of the '60s do you really need an explanation?"

Aw...did we hurt the feelings of Gilli's little boat with the puny straight six!
Well I'm over PC correctness...LOL, I stand by my statement...

Besides you are original only once and you have an original and that is COOL!

[SandlapperGT]

I don't have a Seacraft and in fact have never even ridden in one, but have been bitten by the bug after seeing the Moesly 21s on this site.

I understand the question. It seems like several boats with lesser pedigrees and reputations have been copied more often- take the Formula 233. A great boat and it has withstood the test of time. Think how many copies have been made- 20+? Why it and not the Moesly 21?

My guess is that as a poster mentioned it was a 21, and although a big 21 most people didn't see it as a "true" offshore boat. Factor that with how big it was and the cost of the Moesly 21 was probably the same or higher than most other 23s in the market.

A question I have is that I understand from reading the Mr Moesly started building and testing a 23 but then scaled it back to 21 which was then raced and put into production. I understand he also said that generally speaking a bigger boat will ride better. If so, why did he scale back to 21? Was it to meet certain class restrictions? Was it that the 21 was faster given the available horsepower outboards at the time?

Just curious. And thanks for all the insight and letting me lurk!

[Bigshrimpin]

Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

Dang Trader Terry, quit baggin on my bulbous windshield - it not like its an AMC Pacer... and the Overnighter layout Doesn't Suck - its still a freakin huge fishing deck and great for the CA cold-water long ride chill factor...

I like that windshield and I really think the 21's layout maximizes the use of space. The layout reminds me of a sailboat cockpit in a way with all the storage. It's beautiful in a very functional sense. I really wish there was a 21 hull with a seafari cap/cabin. I suppose that idea turned into the 25.