WILDFIRE MARINE Fabrication and Paint

[BarryCuda]

First let me get this out of the way, I do not own a Seacraft. Although at 12 yrs of age I enjoyed a family friends 19' cc in the Bahamas (ah the good old days). I did grow up on Boston Whalers.
Now, I want to give praise "Mr Seacraft" Mike at WILDFIRE MARINE in Stuart, Fl who took on the total bow to stern reconditioning of my 1989 Whaler Outrage 22'. I carefully choose WILDFIRE MARINE after a bad exerience with Treasure Coast Customs in Port St Lucie, Fl.
Mike and Debbie Sternberg are a unique husband and wife very capable Team working together. Mike has some 23 years of boat building experience. Debbie has some 12 yrs previous experience working for Pursuit Boats. They possess the knowledge and hands on experience that make them trusted true Craftsman not always found in the Marine repair business. Here is a summery of what WILDFIRE MARINE did for my Whaler:
* semi-enclosed port and starboard transom.
* design, fabricate, construct two aft seats port and starboard.
* recore large center deck floor hatch over fuel tank.
* recore both gunnel rail caps.
* raised taller the center console (I'm tall), filled big and small holes.
* total hull in/out sanded, primed and sprayed Imron quality paint.
* through hull plumbing install of a live bait well system.
Then Debbie took over on rigging and wire:
* rerig Evinrude 200 OB.
* VHF, compass, stereo, speakers, switch panel, ignition, trim tabs, under gunnel courtesy lights, nav lights, battery chgr., duel batteries and switch, fresh wtr system, bilge pumps. All in A Clean Neat Professional manor!

After a Very Bad Experience with Treasure Coast Customs in Port St Lucie, I was very cautious of who was going to work on my Whaler! I did in-depth research, asked previous customers and asked those in the Marine trade business about the reputation of Mike and Wildfire Marine before I trusted him with my Whaler project. I am Proud of WILDFIRE and my Whaler. So whether you have a SeaCraft, Whaler, Mako, Contender or another boat that needs fiberglass or paintwork, repair or recondition, you can trust WILDFIRE MARINE.
Barry #772-341-0111

[Islandtrader]

Well thats about as good as you can ask for on a recommendation ...

[Caymanboy]

Originally Posted by BarryCuda

First let me get this out of the way, I do not own a Seacraft. Although at 12 yrs of age I enjoyed a family friends 19' cc in the Bahamas (ah the good old days). I did grow up on Boston Whalers.
Now, I want to give praise "Mr Seacraft" Mike at WILDFIRE MARINE in Stuart, Fl who took on the total bow to stern reconditioning of my 1989 Whaler Outrage 22'. I carefully choose WILDFIRE MARINE after a bad exerience with Treasure Coast Customs in Port St Lucie, Fl.
Mike and Debbie Sternberg are a unique husband and wife very capable Team working together. Mike has some 23 years of boat building experience. Debbie has some 12 yrs previous experience working for Pursuit Boats. They possess the knowledge and hands on experience that make them trusted true Craftsman not always found in the Marine repair business. Here is a summery of what WILDFIRE MARINE did for my Whaler:
* semi-enclosed port and starboard transom.
* design, fabricate, construct two aft seats port and starboard.
* recore large center deck floor hatch over fuel tank.
* recore both gunnel rail caps.
* raised taller the center console (I'm tall), filled big and small holes.
* total hull in/out sanded, primed and sprayed Imron quality paint.
* through hull plumbing install of a live bait well system.
Then Debbie took over on rigging and wire:
* rerig Evinrude 200 OB.
* VHF, compass, stereo, speakers, switch panel, ignition, trim tabs, under gunnel courtesy lights, nav lights, battery chgr., duel batteries and switch, fresh wtr system, bilge pumps. All in A Clean Neat Professional manor!

After a Very Bad Experience with Treasure Coast Customs in Port St Lucie, I was very cautious of who was going to work on my Whaler! I did in-depth research, asked previous customers and asked those in the Marine trade business about the reputation of Mike and Wildfire Marine before I trusted him with my Whaler project. I am Proud of WILDFIRE and my Whaler. So whether you have a SeaCraft, Whaler, Mako, Contender or another boat that needs fiberglass or paintwork, repair or recondition, you can trust WILDFIRE MARINE.
Barry #772-341-0111

Any pictures of the Whaler?

Originally Posted by Lordwrench

Try again. Your buddy Mike and Wildfire Marine was completely complicit in unloading a disaster of a boat they built for a customer on me. I took a straight prison pounding from wildfire marine and zack sayers, their customer who ordered the build. helping their previous customer unload a poorly modified and known compromised hull, I think it lasted him 3 seasons? After ~60k in refurb costs paid to wildfire. Stay far away. Good ole Mr. Mike talked with me and my dad for an hour or so, real nice and old timey, while all along passing off an undisclosed, obviously known, severely compromised hull. The seller had me pick it up at wildfire because "they are fixing some cracks where all seacrafts crack." This was my third SC20,and the casting deck corners are common to crack a bit,they didn't mention the 8" split in the dead center of the keelson. It split on me after not even one season, revealing itself to be poorly patched from the outside only, and sold undisclosed. And at a premium price. The deck and rear bulkhead channel, scupper tubes and interior cap to floor supports cracking to pieces along the way before I realized what the root cause was. The boat was literally coming apart in pieces. After all that expense and hullabaloo(search around CSC, the build is documented in a thread, but not well.), the hull didn't last 300 hours. I don't know when it first cracked with their customer, but it re-cracked in less than one season of nothing but Charleston area sandbar trips.

The seller smugly confirmed after I sent him a photo of the crack that he had already had it glassed once, after the rebuild at wildfire. Zero mention of that defect. Ever. By Zach or wildfire.

This is only the cliff notes, I assure you, Wildfire was bailing themselves and their customer out of a disaster they designed and built together, by selling it to me, completely undisclosed, all the while looking me straight in the eye.

They are dishonest people.

I still have the hull, it's a truly gorgeous piece of garbage, wildfires specialty.

Feel free to contact me privately anyone considering using this shop for all the details.

I abhor drama have been reluctant to say all of this on this forum, I have said pieces of it before,but this post required me to respond and hopefully keep others from making a mistake with this company.

B

Wow! Sure looks like a pretty boat, I liked the way it came out.
I am sorry to hear that, always heard good things about them.

[Old'sCool]

Originally Posted by Lordwrench

Try again. Your buddy Mike and Wildfire Marine was completely complicit in unloading a disaster of a boat they built for a customer on me. I took a straight prison pounding from wildfire marine and zack sayers, their customer who ordered the build. helping their previous customer unload a poorly modified and known compromised hull, I think it lasted him 3 seasons? After ~60k in refurb costs paid to wildfire. Stay far away. Good ole Mr. Mike talked with me and my dad for an hour or so, real nice and old timey, while all along passing off an undisclosed, obviously known, severely compromised hull. The seller had me pick it up at wildfire because "they are fixing some cracks where all seacrafts crack." This was my third SC20,and the casting deck corners are common to crack a bit,they didn't mention the 8" split in the dead center of the keelson. It split on me after not even one season, revealing itself to be poorly patched from the outside only, and sold undisclosed. And at a premium price. The deck and rear bulkhead channel, scupper tubes and interior cap to floor supports cracking to pieces along the way before I realized what the root cause was. The boat was literally coming apart in pieces. After all that expense and hullabaloo(search around CSC, the build is documented in a thread, but not well.), the hull didn't last 300 hours. I don't know when it first cracked with their customer, but it re-cracked in less than one season of nothing but Charleston area sandbar trips.

The seller smugly confirmed after I sent him a photo of the crack that he had already had it glassed once, after the rebuild at wildfire. Zero mention of that defect. Ever. By Zach or wildfire.

This is only the cliff notes, I assure you, Wildfire was bailing themselves and their customer out of a disaster they designed and built together, by selling it to me, completely undisclosed, all the while looking me straight in the eye.

They are dishonest people.

I still have the hull, it's a truly gorgeous piece of garbage, wildfires specialty.

Feel free to contact me privately anyone considering using this shop for all the details.

I abhor drama have been reluctant to say all of this on this forum, I have said pieces of it before,but this post required me to respond and hopefully keep others from making a mistake with this company.

B

Wow

[Capt Chuck]

I don’t think Mike @ Wildfire would knowingly pass along a boat with known issues. That said, we are talking about boats that are decades old, and then putting brackets on them which those aging hulls were never designed for (pushing the center of gravity back and putting added torque on various parts of the hull, creating any number of additional woes). I never thought that a 20' with a bracket was an ideal setup.
I can contest that Wildfire did an excellent job on the transom enclose and Potter Bracket install on my 23'. The boat is enjoying a 2nd owner now after I owned it for 30+ years. I have seen cracks such as the pics above, caused by improper trailer alignment as well as misuse in uncomfortable sea conditions.
I also saw a 23' SeaCraft at Wildfire that the previous owner had hollowed out the foam within the box stringers and made an Island run after filling them with cocaine!

I received this from another CSC member via PM. I wish to share it with you.

It would not at all surprise me if there were significant cracks in many of these hulls and when you hang a 500# outboard, on a bracket, some of those sins are going to come to light when you head out the inlet on a day that has rough seas. 90% of CSC posters are obsessed with discussing WOT speeds and you can’t expect to put thousands of pounds of torque on an old boat and have it hold together like a brand new boat that was designed from the ground up to have a heavy engine 18-20” behind the transom. That crack might have been hiding for years and then put a fresh engine and bracket on it and “bang”, that crack comes to life again, three owners later.
However, if I was going to buy a boat tomorrow morning, it would certainly not be a 40 year old hull with who-know’s-what in its past. There seems to be this magical assumption that 30 year old cars are tired and beat but 30 year old boats are as good as the day they popped out of the mold. I’m not buying it.
I trust Mike and Debbie at Wildfire implicitly, but expecting these boats to roll out of that shop devoid of all past issues is unreasonable until we start X-raying the entire hull and I don’t know any economical way of doing that.

I knew good and well that the upper deck around the forward bow cleat on mine was less than 100%, 35 years sitting in the Florida sun is going to do that, and no amount of PPG paint is going to magically erase those years of wear/tear. I made a point of never stepping off a dock onto that area but someone might do that to my old boat next week and then blame me, Mike, or Bill Potter for scamming them into buying a substandard boat. No, it wasn’t substandard, it was just old.

The guy that posted the compromised boat in that thread has a hull I wouldn’t want. I bet there are actually a number of ticking time bombs on the CSC site and none of them are the result of having sat at Wildfire Marine, I doubt Mike has actually been on a running boat, in saltwater, in the last 20 years. Somebody beat that boat up, but I don’t think Mike was onboard when it happened and I don’t think he’s willing to flush his reputation down the drain for just one boat job

[Parker Yacht]

On the above post.
How very true.
I had a surveyor show up on a 99' Contender I had for sale with an Infra red camera. Said there was deck delam and moisture around the rod holders, I pulled them for the buyer, looked damp but fine.
Old boat, old issues.

[jorgeinmiami]

I'm not defending anyone but in reading what was said here if I were doing a build that involved adding a platform and large engine I would take the floor out and reinforce the stringers and everything else. The point of large engines on brackets flexing the whole boat is probably a concern. These boat were made when a "large" outboard was a 235hp maybe and more likely a 135/150 and weighed a lot less. Add to the stresses the boat gets pounded by the water even well built boats can have things to wrong

[Wildfire]

Although a member of this site as well as other boating sites I have never posted or commented on any of them. In fact, it is only on rare occasions that I find time to view them. I did find Lordwrench's postings of his issues with his boat almost a year after he posted them. I thought about responding then but because it was so late after the fact that I decided against it. Also factoring in my decision was reader suggestions that he contact me directly about the boat and since he didn't bother I figured he already had an opinion about me that wasn't going to change. I also found it curious and somewhat amusing how responders will offer speculation as to what was done and why things happen and somehow it becomes accepted as fact. (For example, because the picture that was posted showed the liner and deck cut out, it suddenly became fact that I weakened the hull by me removing the liner. In reality the liner walls along with the new deck and transom assembly were all being glassed together as one unit. When installed, the liner walls were mated to the hull the same way all 3 piece liner boats are constructed.
I then added the wider gunnel cap which allows the rod holders to drain onto the deck instead of inside the liner. It also eliminates the uncomfortable outward lean when up against them. ( A Mark Lewis design that I ran with). A simple phone call would have answered a lot of questions and probably saved Lordwrench a lot of grief and money. I stand behind the work that leaves my shop and if there were issues due to my workmanship I would have worked with him. Since I did Mark's build 13 years ago I have done at least one Sea Craft (around 30 total) from every state on the eastern seaboard from Connecticut to Mississippi (except Delaware), many from this website. I do not advertise. Those jobs and others came from posts, comments and referrals. I currently have 4 customer Sea Crafts as well as other boats at my shop, and a 1 year wait for new projects. Shoddy or unprofessional work doesn't elicit that many recommendations. I worked very hard for my reputation and when I happened to view this site and saw Lordwrench's post in reply to Barry's it made my blood boil. For someone to completely trash my reputation and lie while doing it was not going to happen without a response from me.
First off, one can only dream that customers would spend $60,000.00 in their shop for a 20 rebuild. To this day there has never been a 20 that exceeded $25,000.00, most have been under $20,000.00. If you add motors and trailers the number increases but those deals are with others. Also, to say that I was "complicit in unloading a customers damaged boat" is a flat out lie. In case you missed it, I make my money restoring boats. Of what benefit is it to me to help a customer sell his boat, especially one that has been abused to the point that it makes my work look bad. I would rather you not buy it but instead find a hull for me to restore for you. I honestly don't remember the event of Lordwrench picking up the boat at my shop (I meet over a hundred customers a year and it was 5 years ago), but if he says he picked the boat at my shop then he had already completed his deal with Zach before I ever "looked him in the eye". I do not get involved in any deals between buyers and sellers.
As far as this boat is concerned, the damage shown in these pictures, out-
side of the crack in the hull, is stress related and cosmetic. I didn't see any picture of the mid ship gunnel cracks but I know they are probably the at the point where the wider gunnel meets the original. I agree these are all ugly and upsetting and I can tell you exactly the cause.
When we initially completed the re-build the boat went to an un-named dealer in Ft Lauderdale to have the engine rigging completed and initial start-up. When the dealer brought the boat back they said they found a crack in the bottom. Upon inspection I saw a diagonal impression about 3 inches wide with orange transfer paint surrounding a 3-4 inch crack. The boat had obviously been dropped or hit something during sea trial because I sanded and painted that bottom and there were no cracks nor did I add any orange accent stripes.
Of course they denied having anything to do with it so Zach was left with little recourse. The only way to repair the damage from the inside was to de-rig the boat, remove the console, cut open the new floor and remove the fuel tank and tank bed which Zach didn't want to do. We opted to cut an access hole in the casting platform well and fill the void between the hull and tank bed with 8 lb density foam. We then repaired the crack from the outside. Zach's choice, not ours. Since the crack was small and grinding approx. 1/4" deep into the glass virtually eliminated it there was a good chance that the repair was sufficient under normal circumstances. Anyone who has installed a thru hull transducer in the flat of a Potter hull knows that the glass there is better that 3/4" thick. Unfortunately, the way Zach operated that boat was not normal. Every conversation with him started with him saying how fast he ran and how good it ran rough water. He once bragged of running 45 mph from Miami to Ft Lauderdale. For those who don't know, Government Cut in Miami is minimum 4 to 6 or bigger every day. This hard running puts a substantial twisting load on the hull which I'm sure caused the crack to not only re-appear but to grow as well. ( That roller trailer with a contact point inches away from the crack isn't helping any. When it left my shop it was on a 4 bunk trailer.)
Zach brought the boat back a couple of times to repair those stress cracks and each time I tried to impress upon him that he was operating the boat beyond its design capabilities. As a former offshore racer I told him that even purpose built race boats with 8 or 9 full bulkheads will stress crack. A 20 ft Sea Craft has zero full bulkheads. All areas perpendicular to the hull length try to act as bulkheads but they are no match for high twisting loads present when running hard in rough water. The resulting cracks can never be repaired as structurally sound as original without removing the liner and adding a significant amount of structural fiberglass to the backside. The most you can do is grind halfway through the damaged area and add glass up to the finished surface resulting in a repair that is at best half as strong as original. To blame me for that type of damage is completely unfair. It is the same as you running your stock pick-up truck in the Baja 1000 and then blaming Ford or GM for building a "gorgeous piece of garbage". I know about structural integrity in boats. I designed and built my own 35' and 37' 100 mph catamaran offshore race boats. I recently built sponsons for a hydroplane attempting to break the 176 mph outboard speed record. All are built with wood and glass composite and have never suffered any structural damage.
The 35' once averaged 60 mph in 8 to 10 ft seas in a world championship race. Both cats weigh around 3,000 lbs, 500 lbs less than a 23 Sea Craft. They were designed and built for the way they were used. The 20 ft Sea Craft was not built for the way it was used and unfortunately Lordwrench was left holding the pieces.
I built my business by giving customers far more for their money than my competitors. I have always been open to answer questions and give advice and information to do-it yourselfers that other shops would consider proprietary and foolish on my part to divulge. Giving away money they say. I don't see it that way. They are unlikely to compete against me and they can't afford to pay anyone to fix their boat. We have all been there. I'm just helping a fellow boater. I always encourage my customers to stop by so they can see the work that goes into a rebuild. All I ever ask from them is patience. If there is one deserved knock on my business it is that it takes a while to get your project finished. All work is done by my wife and myself and the project isn't done until I am satisfied. I take great pride in what I do and sincerely wish to please every customer. My business is based on my customers bragging about their boat on this site and elsewhere. This circumstance is a black eye on my business caused by a punch thrown at the wrong person. With that being said I am extending this offer to Lordwrench.
Contact me, either reply on this site or privately if you wish, and lets discuss your boat. Even though you have mercilessly trashed me and my business I am willing to work with you to make your boat right. I'm not saying I will refurbish your whole boat for free, but any damage you have due to my workmanship I will repair for free. Any other work will be discounted to the point of covering my expenses only. I think that is a pretty generous offer that I am under no obligation to make and I doubt anyone else would make. Accept my offer or blow me off, the choice is yours, but stop posting lies about me and my business

[Old'sCool]

Originally Posted by Wildfire

Although a member of this site as well as other boating sites I have never posted or commented on any of them. In fact, it is only on rare occasions that I find time to view them. I did find Lordwrench's postings of his issues with his boat almost a year after he posted them. I thought about responding then but because it was so late after the fact that I decided against it. Also factoring in my decision was reader suggestions that he contact me directly about the boat and since he didn't bother I figured he already had an opinion about me that wasn't going to change. I also found it curious and somewhat amusing how responders will offer speculation as to what was done and why things happen and somehow it becomes accepted as fact. (For example, because the picture that was posted showed the liner and deck cut out, it suddenly became fact that I weakened the hull by me removing the liner. In reality the liner walls along with the new deck and transom assembly were all being glassed together as one unit. When installed, the liner walls were mated to the hull the same way all 3 piece liner boats are constructed.
I then added the wider gunnel cap which allows the rod holders to drain onto the deck instead of inside the liner. It also eliminates the uncomfortable outward lean when up against them. ( A Mark Lewis design that I ran with). A simple phone call would have answered a lot of questions and probably saved Lordwrench a lot of grief and money. I stand behind the work that leaves my shop and if there were issues due to my workmanship I would have worked with him. Since I did Mark's build 13 years ago I have done at least one Sea Craft (around 30 total) from every state on the eastern seaboard from Connecticut to Mississippi (except Delaware), many from this website. I do not advertise. Those jobs and others came from posts, comments and referrals. I currently have 4 customer Sea Crafts as well as other boats at my shop, and a 1 year wait for new projects. Shoddy or unprofessional work doesn't elicit that many recommendations. I worked very hard for my reputation and when I happened to view this site and saw Lordwrench's post in reply to Barry's it made my blood boil. For someone to completely trash my reputation and lie while doing it was not going to happen without a response from me.
First off, one can only dream that customers would spend $60,000.00 in their shop for a 20 rebuild. To this day there has never been a 20 that exceeded $25,000.00, most have been under $20,000.00. If you add motors and trailers the number increases but those deals are with others. Also, to say that I was "complicit in unloading a customers damaged boat" is a flat out lie. In case you missed it, I make my money restoring boats. Of what benefit is it to me to help a customer sell his boat, especially one that has been abused to the point that it makes my work look bad. I would rather you not buy it but instead find a hull for me to restore for you. I honestly don't remember the event of Lordwrench picking up the boat at my shop (I meet over a hundred customers a year and it was 5 years ago), but if he says he picked the boat at my shop then he had already completed his deal with Zach before I ever "looked him in the eye". I do not get involved in any deals between buyers and sellers.
As far as this boat is concerned, the damage shown in these pictures, out-
side of the crack in the hull, is stress related and cosmetic. I didn't see any picture of the mid ship gunnel cracks but I know they are probably the at the point where the wider gunnel meets the original. I agree these are all ugly and upsetting and I can tell you exactly the cause.
When we initially completed the re-build the boat went to an un-named dealer in Ft Lauderdale to have the engine rigging completed and initial start-up. When the dealer brought the boat back they said they found a crack in the bottom. Upon inspection I saw a diagonal impression about 3 inches wide with orange transfer paint surrounding a 3-4 inch crack. The boat had obviously been dropped or hit something during sea trial because I sanded and painted that bottom and there were no cracks nor did I add any orange accent stripes.
Of course they denied having anything to do with it so Zach was left with little recourse. The only way to repair the damage from the inside was to de-rig the boat, remove the console, cut open the new floor and remove the fuel tank and tank bed which Zach didn't want to do. We opted to cut an access hole in the casting platform well and fill the void between the hull and tank bed with 8 lb density foam. We then repaired the crack from the outside. Zach's choice, not ours. Since the crack was small and grinding approx. 1/4" deep into the glass virtually eliminated it there was a good chance that the repair was sufficient under normal circumstances. Anyone who has installed a thru hull transducer in the flat of a Potter hull knows that the glass there is better that 3/4" thick. Unfortunately, the way Zach operated that boat was not normal. Every conversation with him started with him saying how fast he ran and how good it ran rough water. He once bragged of running 45 mph from Miami to Ft Lauderdale. For those who don't know, Government Cut in Miami is minimum 4 to 6 or bigger every day. This hard running puts a substantial twisting load on the hull which I'm sure caused the crack to not only re-appear but to grow as well. ( That roller trailer with a contact point inches away from the crack isn't helping any. When it left my shop it was on a 4 bunk trailer.)
Zach brought the boat back a couple of times to repair those stress cracks and each time I tried to impress upon him that he was operating the boat beyond its design capabilities. As a former offshore racer I told him that even purpose built race boats with 8 or 9 full bulkheads will stress crack. A 20 ft Sea Craft has zero full bulkheads. All areas perpendicular to the hull length try to act as bulkheads but they are no match for high twisting loads present when running hard in rough water. The resulting cracks can never be repaired as structurally sound as original without removing the liner and adding a significant amount of structural fiberglass to the backside. The most you can do is grind halfway through the damaged area and add glass up to the finished surface resulting in a repair that is at best half as strong as original. To blame me for that type of damage is completely unfair. It is the same as you running your stock pick-up truck in the Baja 1000 and then blaming Ford or GM for building a "gorgeous piece of garbage". I know about structural integrity in boats. I designed and built my own 35' and 37' 100 mph catamaran offshore race boats. I recently built sponsons for a hydroplane attempting to break the 176 mph outboard speed record. All are built with wood and glass composite and have never suffered any structural damage.
The 35' once averaged 60 mph in 8 to 10 ft seas in a world championship race. Both cats weigh around 3,000 lbs, 500 lbs less than a 23 Sea Craft. They were designed and built for the way they were used. The 20 ft Sea Craft was not built for the way it was used and unfortunately Lordwrench was left holding the pieces.
I built my business by giving customers far more for their money than my competitors. I have always been open to answer questions and give advice and information to do-it yourselfers that other shops would consider proprietary and foolish on my part to divulge. Giving away money they say. I don't see it that way. They are unlikely to compete against me and they can't afford to pay anyone to fix their boat. We have all been there. I'm just helping a fellow boater. I always encourage my customers to stop by so they can see the work that goes into a rebuild. All I ever ask from them is patience. If there is one deserved knock on my business it is that it takes a while to get your project finished. All work is done by my wife and myself and the project isn't done until I am satisfied. I take great pride in what I do and sincerely wish to please every customer. My business is based on my customers bragging about their boat on this site and elsewhere. This circumstance is a black eye on my business caused by a punch thrown at the wrong person. With that being said I am extending this offer to Lordwrench.
Contact me, either reply on this site or privately if you wish, and lets discuss your boat. Even though you have mercilessly trashed me and my business I am willing to work with you to make your boat right. I'm not saying I will refurbish your whole boat for free, but any damage you have due to my workmanship I will repair for free. Any other work will be discounted to the point of covering my expenses only. I think that is a pretty generous offer that I am under no obligation to make and I doubt anyone else would make. Accept my offer or blow me off, the choice is yours, but stop posting lies about me and my business

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[Ryan]

Thats a more than generous offer from Mike. Fwiw I've ridden on and inspected mikes work on at least 4 different SeaCrafts, and his work has always been top notch. I also know the marina that Zach had the boat rigged and kept at. This is truly the first thing I have ever seen or heard about wildfire that was less than outstanding. I hope that lordwrench and Mike can resolve this.