Moesly Seacraft 21 repower opinions

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

Thanks Terry.
I concur. I am very much leaning toward the inline. Haven't figured out the fine details of the stroked inline yet but I'm really leaning that way.

I was very impressed by your expansion project but I'm not that gifted. Granted, a sbc would be a more logical choice, I love the inline idea. Any feed back on drive choice and compatibility would be appreciated.

McGillicuddy - got to ask........
1. Have you run your Moesly in rough choppy waters, and can you comment on the reality of the ride.....as it compares to other boats?
2. Do you have any video of the same ?
I'm fascinated with this particular model....I see it as potential " near perfect " design for fisherman who want this size for trailer ability, cuddy protection, but hard core hull to fish harsher conditions....run longer, faster, better in typical ocean chop. I fish the ocean in a 21' boat up here in New Jersey, and while I pick my days for calm seas, I do some long runs up and down the coast.
So, whatever you can share appreciated......

[McGillicuddy]

B,
Sorry, not really, only video I have is pretty boring. took her on some mixed up chop but nothing to brag about. I think the greatest testament to this boat is the mid '60s run of race results.

Followed by Bushwacker's stories of his numerous crossings to Bahamas, where in all boats, big and small would tuck in behind Bob Reiland's 21 "Unohu" and relieve some of the gulf stream pucker factor.

I aint got no friends who'll follow me in rough western swells so it's hard to get video in 4-6' seas.
If you want to send me a go pro and a decent drone, i'll Shanghai some gamers and drag them out to operate the drone to get some viddy, while i negotiate the swell.

I don't remember what 21 you're in but with the number of well priced 23 Sceptres I see from MA to FL, I'd be looking for one of those.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

B,
Sorry, not really, only video I have is pretty boring. took her on some mixed up chop but nothing to brag about. I think the greatest testament to this boat is the mid '60s run of race results.

Followed by Bushwacker's stories of his numerous crossings to Bahamas, where in all boats, big and small would tuck in behind Bob Reiland's 21 "Unohu" and relieve some of the gulf stream pucker factor.

I aint got no friends who'll follow me in rough western swells so it's hard to get video in 4-6' seas.
If you want to send me a go pro and a decent drone, i'll Shanghai some gamers and drag them out to operate the drone to get some viddy, while i negotiate the swell.

I don't remember what 21 you're in but with the number of well priced 23 Sceptres I see from MA to FL, I'd be looking for one of those.

I'm fortunate to have a cream puff 96' V21 with etec 200HO .....looks new.
I've been a casual shopper for a Sceptre, but haven't found package to make it worthwhile to date. I'm in no hurry........but the Moesely 21.....is the " holy grail"
(assuming the ride is as good as reported)

[kmoose]

Originally Posted by bgreene

McGillicuddy - got to ask........
1. Have you run your Moesly in rough choppy waters, and can you comment on the reality of the ride.....as it compares to other boats?
2. Do you have any video of the same ?
I'm fascinated with this particular model....I see it as potential " near perfect " design for fisherman who want this size for trailer ability, cuddy protection, but hard core hull to fish harsher conditions....run longer, faster, better in typical ocean chop. I fish the ocean in a 21' boat up here in New Jersey, and while I pick my days for calm seas, I do some long runs up and down the coast.
So, whatever you can share appreciated......

Here you go. Mind you it is not by any means a treacherous sea state but the folks in my 23 were holding on for dear life while Terry and crew where sipping cocktails. The only way I can describe how the Moesly 21 appears to ride from a different boat is "squishy" meaning it would move up and down but never abruptly or with a bang. Terry did cross my wake before we started recording and it did so with no bang or list.... just rise and fall at a level plane.

My only other observation is that the Moesly 21 is not your average 21 in overall size. I will find the picture I took and can tell you it towers in overall size over my 23' and the 25'. I often wonder if it is 21' at the waterline where boats should really be measured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIQ43ZmyrE

[McGillicuddy]

Kmoose speaks truth, The 21 is HUGE. Here's a few of Island Trader's 21 next to Blue Heron's 25 Seafari.

I had a Marine well versed in towing on the route tow mine from Detroit to San Diego. He commented on several white knuckle moments when the wind would catch it and shake his 7.3L F350. I kind of freaked out about its size when I saw it turn the corner onto my street. Another friend who has towed it with his dually Chevy 3500 duramax, was also surprised by its mass.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by kmoose

Here you go. Mind you it is not by any means a treacherous sea state but the folks in my 23 were holding on for dear life while Terry and crew where sipping cocktails. The only way I can describe how the Moesly 21 appears to ride from a different boat is "squishy" meaning it would move up and down but never abruptly or with a bang. Terry did cross my wake before we started recording and it did so with no bang or list.... just rise and fall at a level plane.

My only other observation is that the Moesly 21 is not your average 21 in overall size. I will find the picture I took and can tell you it towers in overall size over my 23' and the 25'. I often wonder if it is 21' at the waterline where boats should really be measured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIQ43ZmyrE

Saw that......and while appreciated, it's only a teaser as the boat turns away instead of going across the wake, close up, and continuing alongside.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by McGillicuddy

Kmoose speaks truth, The 21 is HUGE. Here's a few of Island Trader's 21 next to Blue Heron's 25 Seafari.

I had a Marine well versed in towing on the route tow mine from Detroit to San Diego. He commented on several white knuckle moments when the wind would catch it and shake his 7.3L F350. I kind of freaked out about its size when I saw it turn the corner onto my street. Another friend who has towed it with his dually Chevy 3500 duramax, was also surprised by its mass.

That's likely a near perfect boat for me because I like everything about it - the concept, and the reality. I can't figure why a boat like this doesn't exist today for people such as me who want a trailerable cuddy specifically made for long ocean runs and fishing. Overbuilt to take nearly any appropriate sea conditions, generally meaning 3'-4' chop and swells for miles of running!!

[gofastsandman]

Originally Posted by bgreene

That's likely a near perfect boat for me because I like everything about it - the concept, and the reality. I can't figure why a boat like this doesn't exist today for people such as me who want a trailerable cuddy specifically made for long ocean runs and fishing. Overbuilt to take nearly any appropriate sea conditions, generally meaning 3'-4' chop and swells for miles of running!!

It`s a tough market.

I was up at R n R talking with Matt a couple of months ago.
They are building a 42 Conch and he told me the material cost to go from a 27 to a 30 was
negligible.

The new Barker 26 bay boat is north of 150.
An Albury 23 is 85 stripped. Go figure.

Not easy to build the 21 and make money.
3rdDay has been trying to make it work for a while now.
A mold is into 6 figures.

When I first saw the 21, my jaw just dropped.
I could stand on the keelson and look up to see outta the hull.
I spent the first few minnows sitting on the floor of the hanger
just studying her entry and steps.

That is Skipper T and Bowrider`s hull.
The center panel "Bulb" is massive when compared to a 23.
I suspect this is one of the secrets of the ride of the 21 vs the 23.
The steps are a good bit taller as well, but the bulb is freakin huge.

When you think about re-entry, what hits first?
That massive bulb does.
The VDH panels receive the water at decreasing angles
to relieve surface tension and most importantly aerate the water
which will now compress a tad when landing.

This also adds lift as the decreasing angles trap the air as the water
rolls over the steps.

Terry`s ride is indeed genteel.

[DonV]

Hey GFS, what's the sound the "decreasing angles" of the VDH hull makes as it re-enters the water.....woosh! There is a difference........

[bgreene]

Continuing speculation......anyone know why the great 21' hull wasn't utilized into the 23 ? I understand that the 23 hull is good, but not as good.....